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		<title>Comment on SEMPER and SCORE by Cesar Mercado</title>
		<link>http://tetradianbooks.com/2008/07/semper/#comment-429</link>
		<dc:creator>Cesar Mercado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 21:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, I'd like to say that most of the ideas I have read in your books have resonated in me. Also, I find your insightful and bold approach quite refreshing.

Nevertheless, I have to say I disagree with your discussion of 'Effectiveness'. 

For starters, I don't think it should include 'Efficiency', which is more of a companion quality when it comes to performance. You can be effective without being efficient, and vice versa.

'Elegance' is another sub-quality that I tend to associate with efficency rather than effectiveness. Because nothing is more efficient that a hands-off approach if you can get away with it--zero sweat, full accomplishment.

From another perspective, I believe that 'Efficiency' and 'Effectiveness' are at the same level of abstraction, so I find it difficult to put efficiency within effectiveness.

Why not start with the standard dictionary definition and elaborate on it? Thus, effectiveness is the quality that enables you to 'hit the mark', 'achieve results', etc. It doesn't matter whether you do it efficiently or elegantly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, I&#8217;d like to say that most of the ideas I have read in your books have resonated in me. Also, I find your insightful and bold approach quite refreshing.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, I have to say I disagree with your discussion of &#8216;Effectiveness&#8217;. </p>
<p>For starters, I don&#8217;t think it should include &#8216;Efficiency&#8217;, which is more of a companion quality when it comes to performance. You can be effective without being efficient, and vice versa.</p>
<p>&#8216;Elegance&#8217; is another sub-quality that I tend to associate with efficency rather than effectiveness. Because nothing is more efficient that a hands-off approach if you can get away with it&#8211;zero sweat, full accomplishment.</p>
<p>From another perspective, I believe that &#8216;Efficiency&#8217; and &#8216;Effectiveness&#8217; are at the same level of abstraction, so I find it difficult to put efficiency within effectiveness.</p>
<p>Why not start with the standard dictionary definition and elaborate on it? Thus, effectiveness is the quality that enables you to &#8216;hit the mark&#8217;, &#8216;achieve results&#8217;, etc. It doesn&#8217;t matter whether you do it efficiently or elegantly.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Disciplines of Dowsing by Bonifer</title>
		<link>http://tetradianbooks.com/2008/09/disciplines/#comment-428</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, a remnant of the original fabric!  Let the re-stitching begin!  Thanks for sending this my way, Tom.  I'll check it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, a remnant of the original fabric!  Let the re-stitching begin!  Thanks for sending this my way, Tom.  I&#8217;ll check it out.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mapping the Enterprise by Service design within the business model canvas</title>
		<link>http://tetradianbooks.com/2010/11/ecanvas/#comment-352</link>
		<dc:creator>Service design within the business model canvas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 22:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] emergence of other varations such as &#8220;The Enterprise Canvas&#8221; described in the book ‘Mapping the enterprise: modelling the enterprise as services with the Enterprise Canvas’ by Tom Graves and &#8216;The Startup [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] emergence of other varations such as &#8220;The Enterprise Canvas&#8221; described in the book ‘Mapping the enterprise: modelling the enterprise as services with the Enterprise Canvas’ by Tom Graves and &#8216;The Startup [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mapping the Enterprise by How to elaborate a Business Model with Enterprise Architecture? &#171; on Enterprise Architecture</title>
		<link>http://tetradianbooks.com/2010/11/ecanvas/#comment-348</link>
		<dc:creator>How to elaborate a Business Model with Enterprise Architecture? &#171; on Enterprise Architecture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Enterprise Canvas described in the book ‘Mapping the enterprise: modelling the enterprise as services with the Enterprise Canvas’ by Tom Graves. See http://tetradianbooks.com/2010/11/ecanvas/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Enterprise Canvas described in the book ‘Mapping the enterprise: modelling the enterprise as services with the Enterprise Canvas’ by Tom Graves. See <a href="http://tetradianbooks.com/2010/11/ecanvas/" rel="nofollow">http://tetradianbooks.com/2010/11/ecanvas/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Enterprise Canvas summary-sheet from &#8216;Mapping the Enterprise&#8217; by tg</title>
		<link>http://tetradianbooks.com/2010/12/ecanvas-summary/#comment-337</link>
		<dc:creator>tg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Dec 2010 11:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Max - as the book explains, the basic Enterprise Canvas service-model is intentionally compatible with Osterwalder's Business Model Canvas, but extends it considerably in detail, in scope and in application. The book includes an Appendix describing how to translate between the two model-types. (I've discussed all of this in person with Alex Osterwalder, and I believe I have his full agreement on this.) Likewise the service-content is again intentionally related to Zachman, but is very considerably extended: for a start, it includes an entire dimension that is missing in Zachman.

I do agree that "a business is not created by components but by interactions". Again, if you read the book, you will find that a strong (if not stronger) emphasis is placed on the flows and interactions rather than on the service-content.

I could make much the same replies to each of your other concerns. The point of this summary-sheet is that it is intended as a reference-card for use with the book: if you have not read the book, it is quite possible that it may not make much sense, as appears to be the case here. so please don't critique the model on the basis of the reference-card alone, unless it's in context with the content and structure of the book to which it relates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Max - as the book explains, the basic Enterprise Canvas service-model is intentionally compatible with Osterwalder&#8217;s Business Model Canvas, but extends it considerably in detail, in scope and in application. The book includes an Appendix describing how to translate between the two model-types. (I&#8217;ve discussed all of this in person with Alex Osterwalder, and I believe I have his full agreement on this.) Likewise the service-content is again intentionally related to Zachman, but is very considerably extended: for a start, it includes an entire dimension that is missing in Zachman.</p>
<p>I do agree that &#8220;a business is not created by components but by interactions&#8221;. Again, if you read the book, you will find that a strong (if not stronger) emphasis is placed on the flows and interactions rather than on the service-content.</p>
<p>I could make much the same replies to each of your other concerns. The point of this summary-sheet is that it is intended as a reference-card for use with the book: if you have not read the book, it is quite possible that it may not make much sense, as appears to be the case here. so please don&#8217;t critique the model on the basis of the reference-card alone, unless it&#8217;s in context with the content and structure of the book to which it relates.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Enterprise Canvas summary-sheet from &#8216;Mapping the Enterprise&#8217; by Max J. Pucher - Chief Architect ISIS Papyrus Software</title>
		<link>http://tetradianbooks.com/2010/12/ecanvas-summary/#comment-336</link>
		<dc:creator>Max J. Pucher - Chief Architect ISIS Papyrus Software</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Dec 2010 11:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice model overviews. I have a few observations:

The enterprise model is just a redraw of the Osterwalder model. The service content is a slightly modified Bachmann model. 

Therefore, from my perspective there is too much fragmentation by trying to decompose a complex adaptive system into controllable pieces. A business is not created by components but by interactions. Function emerges from these interactions and is not designed as a component. 

Relationships and transactions are built on the interactions of roles that people take. Most relevant conversations ought to be part of a transaction a.k.a. process. 

I would also not think in terms of performance but in terms of expectations created by value propositions and satisfaction based on value perception. Performance is just metrics that are meaningless in terms of customer relationships. 

People and process are the same thing because the process emerges from role interactions and has no independent existance. Processes without people have no asset value as is sometimes suggested. The purpose is defined in the objective-&#62;target-&#62;goal link that starts with WHY a customer would want an offering. I agree that the perception links back into the desired outcome in a never ending loop. 

All in all, helpful pictorials but I would build an enterprise strategy with it. I know that others do, but it creates a business that is not very dynamic or agile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice model overviews. I have a few observations:</p>
<p>The enterprise model is just a redraw of the Osterwalder model. The service content is a slightly modified Bachmann model. </p>
<p>Therefore, from my perspective there is too much fragmentation by trying to decompose a complex adaptive system into controllable pieces. A business is not created by components but by interactions. Function emerges from these interactions and is not designed as a component. </p>
<p>Relationships and transactions are built on the interactions of roles that people take. Most relevant conversations ought to be part of a transaction a.k.a. process. </p>
<p>I would also not think in terms of performance but in terms of expectations created by value propositions and satisfaction based on value perception. Performance is just metrics that are meaningless in terms of customer relationships. </p>
<p>People and process are the same thing because the process emerges from role interactions and has no independent existance. Processes without people have no asset value as is sometimes suggested. The purpose is defined in the objective-&gt;target-&gt;goal link that starts with WHY a customer would want an offering. I agree that the perception links back into the desired outcome in a never ending loop. </p>
<p>All in all, helpful pictorials but I would build an enterprise strategy with it. I know that others do, but it creates a business that is not very dynamic or agile.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mapping the Enterprise preview e-book by Peter Ward</title>
		<link>http://tetradianbooks.com/2010/11/ecanvas-ebook/#comment-326</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 11:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm so glad you've done this. I grabbed the PDF but promise to buy at least one print copy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad you&#8217;ve done this. I grabbed the PDF but promise to buy at least one print copy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Real Enterprise Architecture by kan</title>
		<link>http://tetradianbooks.com/2008/04/real-ea/#comment-316</link>
		<dc:creator>kan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 05:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom,
I am new to this field of enterprise architecture. Coming from a programming background most of the ideas and concepts found in most books about the topic seem fuzzy to me. I am reading "Real Enterprise Architecture" and am wondering which sequence of books you would advise in order for me to get the necessary understanding to perform optimally at my new position. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom,<br />
I am new to this field of enterprise architecture. Coming from a programming background most of the ideas and concepts found in most books about the topic seem fuzzy to me. I am reading &#8220;Real Enterprise Architecture&#8221; and am wondering which sequence of books you would advise in order for me to get the necessary understanding to perform optimally at my new position. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Protected: Review e-books by John Wu</title>
		<link>http://tetradianbooks.com/2008/12/review-books/#comment-289</link>
		<dc:creator>John Wu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 10:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on The Service-Oriented Enterprise by Roland Ettema</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roland Ettema</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tx for pointing me on this one Tom. I am especially exited how you applied Stafford Beer in this topic.

Cheers, and good to see our shared mindsets

Roland Ettema</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tx for pointing me on this one Tom. I am especially exited how you applied Stafford Beer in this topic.</p>
<p>Cheers, and good to see our shared mindsets</p>
<p>Roland Ettema</p>
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